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Comment by laughingRain 1 day ago

I checked out Gary Spivey and he's a little flamboyant for my tastes Chandra, too theatrical. Monroe and Bruce Moen are the more evolved type and intellectual type; I prefer studying those two and others similar, then theatrical comedian types.

although maybe he really does see dead people so he has his place in society and looks like he's having fun.

as for a person's tone of voice, I still believe it is correct, you can pick up much from the tone of voice, whether that is a talking or singing voice, you can discern a lot of info from sound or tone, but you can't determine their mental body from hearing their voice.
In singing you can discern their emotional self and catch a bit of their overal character.
all of us have a basic tone that causes others close to that basic tone to resonate with that tone, in an energy sense, or emotional energy sense.

The grid is full of the sounds of tones all making a huge sound in the universe. It's a vibrating, energetic resonance, is the grid.
but for the life of me, I don't think Gary looks like the sort of person would be talking about tone or signature.
maybe he does in private. He is dealing with being a medium on the superficial level of the media.
I'm interested in matters deeper than what he expounds, or we could say that is what people demand of him, the superficialities, such as asking of him questions of their future.

We will get beyond this sort of sham, when the people stop acting like the afterlife is all a game.

Comment by laughingRain 1 day ago

this is the comment wall, I'm taking this talk over to a discussion forum, it should align under that label above, where it says comparing dreams to PE.
talking specifically to Chandra here but all are invited to enter the discussion.

btw. my browser has been crashing here a few times so I'm using a different browser.
Ning is also undergoing changes.

Comment by laughingRain 1 day ago

Hi, just lost my post to you. Ning forums are undergoing some chances and pulling some fast ones on me! lol. therefore you may see several comments posted, so I don't lose the lengthy stuff I write here. ok. posting.

Comment by Chand-ra Bouri on December 8, 2009 at 11:28pm

Hi LaughingRain,
Thanks for that.
If it was me - I have no recollection. However I would not necessarily remember on waking.
Years ago a young lady who I worked with claimed that I had given her advise in a dream and assured her things would be ok. At that time the office staff faced relocation or a move or some sort of problem which was to affect us all. I had no recollection of that either.
So I figure with her - it was a dream/obe.
Happy holidays
Regards
Chandra

Comment by laughingRain on December 8, 2009 at 4:35pm

I'm getting a rote now, as you mention a fear of obe. it's connected to an obe I took, a few years ago.
I'm 98% certain of who I'm talking to now and that it was you. Now I know why you made a face at me! lol, it was your fear expressing of the obe circumstance.

I had asked you a question: (btw, this was an involuntary obe, I do not voluntarily do obes, not like Monroe, I'm not that much in control of them)
I asked u in the obe "do you astral travel?"
The reason I asked u that was because I felt I was truly there, in some dimension which is not physical consciousness, nonetheless the awareness is there that this is real, that the contact is real.
Your facial expression told me, it was not what you expected me to ask and you looked mighty displeased.
Now that u confess a fear of obe, or what I called astral traveling then, I completely understand the face you made at me.

ok then next you turned away. Thought you were leaving me.
but no, you were merely talking to your guides. I couldn't see others there, just u and me, but there were others there.
They explained something to you. You listened to them and nodded your head. for a minute there was like you resisted what they said, but then you conceded to them.
You turned back to face me (we were holding hands all the while)
you leaned into my face a little closer and answered "yes!"

this told me you were really there and this was no ordinary dream I could brush off.
but only when you said yes. If you'd said no, I would have thought the meeting unimportant and thought it was lovely holding hands but just a dream and perhaps a hello and goodbye dream at the same time.

so hmmm. don't be afraid of PE. That's not quite the same as full blown obe, for one thing you are wide awake when you do PE. I find that an involuntary obe can occur while thinking about the PE plans though, and going to sleep on them, it acts as a sort of intentional stimulus on ocassion. PE is like getting rotes and symbols for me. it's what I consider more advanced than a full blown obe.

a side note: I may not be online for awhile. my puter is spitting at me! I have a concern I'm getting a warning to get another one. so sorry if u answer me, and I'm not here.

now I remember talking about signatures. I will check out Gary Spivey, sounds interesting. yes tone of voice does tell a great deal. so easy to misinterpret just words on paper.

Obe is just gathering data for me. you should not fear this development if it begins to happen to you.

for the most part people don't remember their obes because it's not in their thought system as something that happens and is easy to say it's just a dream.

sometime ago I realized, it's not just a dream. the more powerful the emotion, the more real it becomes.
many of mine, whoever I talked to, does not remember the occasion, which makes me want to give up on exploring this way, and just trust my higher self will give me what it wants to , when it wants to. PE is so much more easy than going obe and is no more than a deep meditation to me with some useful hits.
just think of it as tuning in, like changing a channel on the TV.
it's fun, and if the attitude is I am just here to be helpful, then nothing goes wrong.
if you want instruction on how to obe, though, I don't do that, as I don't have control over mine. but I do share my own in a story context, often not supplying meaning, you place your own meaning on what people tell you. Just telling what happened is what I do.
this is my way of lending a nudge or helping hand, I'm doing it right now by the energy I put down here in words. then I reread what I've written to see if there's something I left out that might be helpful.
we only have here and now. we don't have tomorrow promised to us, so that's why I act like I'm going to die today, so lol, I get everything out that's available to me. I hope this helps.
I certainly thank u for your trust, but decline to say I can obe whenever I want. I can't. I basically pass on Monroe's knowledge of these things, and Bruce's too.
things that happened to them, which also happened to me, make it like more of a reality, a valid path to explore, but rather uncharted for the most part.
many bias's need to be put aside in order to explore some new territory of the mind/Mind.

I appreciate your post. thanks again. sorry if I lose contact for awhile due to tech problems like a puter that hisses at you!

lol. if it aint one thing, it's another, right?
Happy holidays, and I can always be wrong, whatever I say.
I'm just an explorer.

I'd love to hear about anybody's obes or PE's here.

Comment by Chand-ra Bouri on December 8, 2009 at 3:31pm

Hi LaughingRain,
I am going to leave answering your questions to next year - 2010.
I am just going to say that I have a distinct memory of you posting about signatures in a couple of your posts and the "tone of a person" comes from gary spivey's website - www.garyspivey.com.
Gary Spivey can locate what is happening round the spiritual aspects of a person by the tone of his voice.

I have been impressed that maybe you can take me a bit further along the OBE path.

So perhaps it is for you to offer to give a helping hand - to give me a nudge in the right direction on the OBE front. And perhaps it is for me to overcome my great fear re OBES and go along with your help.
Perhaps on any forthcoming missions I will dither and back off for a few months to participate in the missions.
But due to the great respect you are held by many(evidenced by your many posts) - makes me think - put the fear aside and trust the being Alysia.
Regards
Chandra

Comment by laughingRain on December 8, 2009 at 12:25pm

hi there Chandra. you know, you're only the 2nd person I've heard to mention the signature. I first heard it from BobMcK. and a rote jumped off the page, and I thought, yup, that's the way explorers find each other out there; through their energy signature that identifies them. This signature thing takes the place of identification through a verbalized name.

that's why I suppose guides don't use name, and we do here on the physical level. they know us through our signature.
I'll always be grateful to BMc. for springing that rote on me!
Have u been talking to him by chance?

What u did is different. you took the energy signature and placed around it tone.
Tone is related to musical sounds, which is related to emotional energy.
so I think when you mention tone, it is related to emotions, although the tone of a person, is like we use a tone when out of body (I'm grasping here) while in the spirit body, and here in the physical we more likely would say we use an emotion.

A signature tone then is the intrinsic inner being, that is not the physical expression, which the physical is more of a limited type expression, necessary while in the body having a lifetime.

so I like the way you put together those two words, signature tone, you gave me a rote too!
I think you may be familiar with what a rote is? it's a string of ideas.
You may be giving me too much credit to say it would not be too difficult, (like the way u say that, smile) for me to "reconstruct" part of your signature tone.

you sort of gave me permission, the way you said that, and it shows respect, which is always nice to get some of that!

lol. which part can I reconstruct? haha!
I would like to proceed from my funloving attitude, that of PE partners do the sharing thing, rather than coming from the teaching standpoint.
Sharing is much easier than teaching something. so if we, any of us here announce that we want to do a PE, like go to the park in focus 27, or the moon or just meet in a classroom imagined, we would just bring back what was given to us and share it.
It's the interpretation part that can take some time to figure out, which is kinda fun, but takes so much time...it's fun, say, like weeks, months, even years down the line, you suddenly realize, oh it was a hit after all!

so to say I won't really be reconstructing anything Chandra. I would just be sharing something.
You are the one most likely reconstructing something.

one more question please: did your guides impress you about the tone thing, or did you get this message during a meditation where it seemed no guides were present?
I think we all get assistance from invisible guides but sometimes it seems we just can tune into some network through the intuitive process.
Both processes supply energy and inspiration, enough so you posted here about it.

last but not least, I don't have much rote on what you want to reconstruct regarding your signature tone. so I don't have a rote on that unless you explained it to me. except I regard tone as related to musical endeavors.
are u a musician?

I am a vocalist. I am always reaching for the high note, but it gets better only by doing it. I'm interested in comedy too.
if u let me make u laugh, perhaps that is reconstruction enough!

thanks for joining PE. looking forward to your thoughts.
and merry Christmas! LR

Comment by Chand-ra Bouri on December 8, 2009 at 11:15am

Hi LaughingRain,
It is good to join your PE list.
I fondly remember your quaint wisdom from the previous list we were on and I remember your many successes including the ones in PE work.
I have not taken part in PE work before - but I have been sort of guided to join the PE group. And it has also been impressed upon me that it would not be too difficult for you to reconstruct part of my signature tone.
Anyhow, Regards

Comment by laughingRain on December 3, 2009 at 12:13pm

Hi Ryan, hope u get this notice I'm responding. I didn't get a notice that you'd responded and that's like a first for me, although it is my website! rats!
I'll start checking in daily then. and sorry to be so late.

I can say some interpretation on your bike dream. you are trying to be helpful, to "upright" things. like the bike is a symbol, but it was heavier than u thought and fell over anyway. the intention is good and u did not much damage.
your dad is with you, which shows you and him probably take a lot of trips together in the astral, but for reasons we don't go into right now, we don't remember all the trips.

they are portrayed as cartoons, so you don't get too too serious and misinterpret the real message behind symbology.

the person sliding up to you, you may recognize later who it is. It could be somebody you already know, or an aspect of that person, which shows you, they are unpredicable in their landings into your consciousness. or maybe they like to be fun.
we tend to lose our dreams when we first wake up. a recorder is good to record them before getting out of bed. details will come back if you make the effort.
getting the bike out of the road, is removing something mechanical out of the way to prevent damage to it.

what you are wheeling "back" is like reeling in something, I'd suggest the bike then is a symbol of something heavy that you are undertaking, but it can roll!

perhaps the bike is a symbol of the Monroe studies and astral travel that you undertake now.
Your own energy body out there seems to also be a "slider"
a fun loving slider, is a good energy body and you should keep the attitude towards your studies.
It is a bit heavier than either of us discern, but we both have this curiosity to explore and there will be no damage done that is not fixable.
hope you enjoy Monroe the 2nd read is better than the 1st, and the 3rd read is even better!

I'll talk to you on facebook also if that's ok.

Comment by Ryno on November 29, 2009 at 3:44pm

Hey Alysia!!

That dream is a weird one! maybe it is the animals hair lol! i cant get anything from it at the moment! seems quite strange tho!? will have a think some more! have you had anymore thoughts on it?

How has your weekend been? I have had a rather busy one again haha! but havent had any real success in attempting to meet you at the park. Will continue this week!

I did have a vivid dream last night i clearly remember in much detail, there was parts before it i cant recall tho which is not good as i could when i first woke up but i have forgotten!! In my dream i was standing just round from a right hand bend in a gravel square layby with my dad. I think we both had bikes and it seems we were taking a quick break. Coming around the corner followed by a car was another biker who fell off his bike, but instead of crashing the bike fell to the ground and he (in a sitting upright position?) just slid across the ground (with no harm to him) and landed in front of us smiling. Im not sure if it was much of a conversation, or whether he just spoke to us or me but i relised the need to get the bike out of the road so i ran over to it and pick it up. As i wheeled it round it fell over again because of the weight. I felt slightly embrassed but glad it as damaged anyway and i didnt do too much more! I then started wheeling it back and then oke up (i dont think straight away)

It as weird because it didnt look real but sort of like a cartoon but in a real life way if that makes sense!? lol probly not but cant think how to describe it!!

I have actually got all of monroes books and bruces!! and one other OBE book. I havent got round to reading them all and you inspired me to re-read monroes first so i started this weekend in my spare moments! I need to go over this book as i read it so quickly the first time and am sure i missed important bits!

I will set my intention from now on to meet you rather than meet you in a certain place and let whoever, or whatever help me find the way! thanks for this otherwise i could be stuck with flashing images of parks for quite a while hahaha!

how are the cats by the way? i havent heard about them for a while! are you still looking after them?

Hope you are well and speak soon!

Ryno

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