When Will YOU Die?

[laughingRain]

I was wondering if anyone believes like I do, that we have about half dozen places in a lifetime which are designated as possible exit points, and that at the last minute, so to speak, we decide to stay longer?

I believe this is true, as I looked back and saw how close I was to death.
One time through being injected by a boyfriend with too much herion. Many years ago. Was barely 21, only used to be with the man. Stupid. almost died.

then there were about 5 other times where it was real iffy, and somehow I came through. One time I'm sure, looking back I had gotten so weak in body I slept for a whole month, hardly getting up at all, I'm sure I was close to death. It must have been pneumonia. I remember fighting a legal system just before succumbing to the illness.

Well I have a lot of death in my horoscope. It's always fascinated me what happens after death, I'm actually more interested sometimes in death than in life! I usually manage to ground myself into the here and now though.
So I was thinking lately, when I was small, I decided to live until I was 100.
What about you?
Did you ever decide such a thing?

Then as time went on, I thought, well, maybe not that long. Sort of changed my mind. So I wondered. When I start wondering about something I will have a dream, a guidance dream.
So that's what happened. In this dream a Chinese fellow walked up to me, couple years back it was, and he said (I was 61) you can live another 45 years, if you want. Then he started to walk away, towards a door. I called, WAIT!
I don't get it! Do I WANT to??
He didn't say a word, just smile a very wise smile and kept walking, as if to say, you know better than to ask me to make a decision only you can make.

Yea, I get the point. I was thinking. I just wanted to see if I could trick him into making up my mind for me, I suppose. We have to decide for ourselves how long we wish to live here. This I even told my mother this and she loved it! She was thinking of dying at the time. She decided a few more years she would keep on keeping on.

Now, just recently, I was talking about this subject to my daughter and she informed me straight out I would live to be 93.
It sounded good to me for some reason. She has been known to be psychic on occasion and it sounds better to me than 104, whatever!
30 more years to go. As fast as life is speeding by now, 30 years is nothing. Every day, anyhoo, I feel like I'm more "there" than I am here.

So right now I'm savoring. I'm doing this observation thing every day, taking it all in, keeping my energy positive, entertaining folks sometimes, getting a big kick out of that. I won't miss being here, I know that already.

What about you? Do you think you will miss being here, in this life? Or if you left on the morrow, would you be cool with that?

thanks for sharing.

[Chand-ra Bouri]

Hi LaughingRain,
I believe toward the end of life there are many points at which one can quit.
Although a lot of people do not agree with me on this. I say to them that often there is no one fixed ending -- towards the end there are several points.
I also believe that your guides or teacher can arrange it for you to take your impending 'death' in a dream state - thus extending your physical life. This only happens rarely - one or two instance being where massive work is being done to clear karma or a person is on a spiritual task for the Heavenly Hierarchy.

I read all the scriptures of the world and when I point out to people that in the ancient Indian writings there is a quote which says even the gods say they desire a human birth because being in a human body you have the maximum chance and opportunity of acquiring merit and repaying karma or balancing the books.
Gods desiring a human birth? People don't believe it - and when I shove the quote in front of them they just don't want to know.
Just shows the sacredness of human life if the gods place so much store by it. It would appear no where else in the astral world or in the spiritual world or elsewhere can one transform one's life as one can in a human body.

And when I say to them there is another quote which says that all your good deeds which you do on earth will get you into heaven but a time will come when the merit of your good deeds will run out( in heaven) and once again the Lords of Karma will come into the picture and once again you may have to begin your journey.
At this they freak out and don't want to know no more.
Heaven is the end, they say. Which one I say? The first heaven, the Seventh Heaven or the Ninth Heaven?
They look at me in a weird way.

Everyone to their belief.

Regards
Chan/ Chand-ra

[laughingRain]

I don't think you're weird. I believe you tell the truth, but that it scares people to think that there is no end to struggle, pain, and the disappointments we all go through, calling it bad luck most the time, for lack of knowing how they set themselves up perhaps.

I agree, and I have read this also, that only on a physical type planet, and I believe there's more than one such physical reality, can embryo gods become masters of their fate, always becoming into their fullness, their potential, to say awakening to the idea, I can, versus, I can't.
although learning, growing can be done on the other side, to say, being nonphysical, here we can do our becoming much faster.

it's almost like, instead of reading a book, or listening to a lecture, on the other side, about how to swim, some of us do a double flip off the high dive hoping we don't do a belly flop, because that would smart! then once in the water, gotta learn to swim fast or sink.
I meet a lot of people who tell me, in so many different ways, that living a life here has been difficult, so they desire to consider resting in the heaven they have always believed in.
In some ways, they are correct. there are hollow heavens where it's happy happy happy until a soul would want to move on from that even. I guess nirvana even gets old? yet I believe there are resting places in spirit land and we can do that to recooperate from some life's experiences, for as long as we wish.
I also believe there are exit points all along the life path.
I can relate where I had a death experience when karma was cleared up between my mother and I. What had been alive was the daughter. the daughter role died in this life, then decided (with help I'm sure) to continue living in this body, even though the intention, the main intention for this life, was to clear up the karma with mother. I died as daughter role only, but it was feeling very much like a real death, with all the attendant grief and sorrow as with a physical death.
dying though, was exhilerating because it signaled a new life to begin, and the success of my endeavors here, insofar as mother was concerned.
it seemed like there were tons of people around me who were waiting for me to arrive and congratulating me the successful clearing.

I don't think writing or talking about nde does much good all in all, but still, we want to communicate nonetheless, without being pushy. we try.
in the nature of retrievals, it's the same thing. u let them believe what they want and simply make a suggestion to them without making your own nde another dogma. the ones that are for you, they will find you. the ones that are for someone else, they will find that someone else.
I think life is sacred, only if you consider your own life is sacred. there are those who do not consider it is sacred.
perhaps we all will arrive to agree with one another one day, and then it will be like heaven on earth. I'll get back with you on that!
I'm here for the ride. I don't know whats going to happen.

heard you were writing a book. Hope it becomes a very good experience for you, to write, as it was for me too. if it helps any, at least when they look at you weird, you are not being ignored. I hate being ignored! nobody likes apathy. please incorparate the sense of humor, it really helps to consider life is sacred, but taking it too too seriously, that also is not like our godliness that we each have. u will know them by their love.
there's this thing humans do, and it's a waste of time, to try and define a beginning and an ending to the universe. everything is linear to them.
what if life is a circle, not linear?

many mansions. right. to each his own. thanks for your comment.

[laughingRain]

I took a nap after responding to Chand-ra and got some more ideas..(oh oh!) ha. Chandr-ra is a biblical scholar. I'm not. I won't read the bible because I like modern times people and I'm new age. They believed in ancient times, even before J was walking around in a body, that there were many Gods. A god of rain, a god of fire, a god of this or that.
in my mind, there is One God. I refer to J's words, about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

In the Catholic traditions, there are saints that are prayed to as intercessary beings. I believe these saints should have due credit for whatever works they are reported as doing, and if you want you can pray to a tree and get the same results. Or you can have guides you ask for to be enlightened for, not for favors, but for how to deal with your challenges, concerning the highest good for all. Yet praying to saints seems a carry over from these ancient times whereby we believed God was divided into many Gods. There were also sacrifices, human sacrifices as well as animals made to various gods.

Believing in numerous Gods then, to bestow favors, is not what J taught. Neither do I see J as a God, as do many, understand him to be a God. I think he lived many lives, in different systems of reality and evolved to the point where he took a life on a backward planet which were many primitive type people who could be shown that there was but One God, the Father within him which did the works. And there have been other enlightened beings came to serve the peoples of Earth, some just as enlightened and powerful as J, but more quiet about it, as you can get killed for being both noisy and enlightened at the same time.

I think the basic is what I'm discussing, as concerning Robert Monroe's discovery of the basic operating within his obes. The basic is Service to Life.
Once we are happy to be serving the purposes to prolong life here, in a quality manner, rather than in a quantity manner, then you can assume you have found the basic, for enlightenment to proceed on schedule.

Bruce Moen has coined the term PUL. which is pure unconditional love, which is, without a doubt, the basic introduced by Monroe. And they are of the same disc.

The Holy ghost or Holy Spirit is something which is the medium, the go between, that was left here because J left it here. As he spoke these words, If I go, I leave you with the holy spirit as a comforter.
His very own presence here was so powerful with love, he did leave part of himself for us. The comforter is real, and many will call the comforter Grace. Many spirits, ascended masters, all join into this comforter HS to be as one with it. Therefore the many become One.

Grace is what is delivered in a prayerful state, to the one who prays truly. It is like PUL because when it comes, it's like you feel you don't deserve it. humility is felt then, that's how you know grace has come. the same with PUL. Love which has been given, with no thought of return value, this is like a milder form of receiving grace, yet it can be perceived as human kindness operating.

This is all to say, there have been even in ancient times, deluded messiahs, who sense the power within for creative purposes, that is hidden within each mortal. They (deluded) will generally lack any humility, and generate a certain tense provocative characteristic, and it will be unlike what J demonstrated as PUL, as the basic.
J for the most part worked with small groups of individuals, hand picked and would not stand upon a hill top to deliver the message that he was one with the father.

He did leave the comforter. We had nothing to pray to before he came but a bunch of gods which yielded up mixed results, of a magical type of induction.
And discernment of spirit guides is very important whether they come of J, and his band, to say, are representing the holy spirit, or whether there is no love in the room at all, then you can cast them away from you. Love is the feeling that will be pure, if you are talking to a spirit who is the comforter. They will not lie or trick you either.
HS more or less just makes suggestions, in friendly style, but never takes your choice factor away, for always we choose the highest good, or we choose for purely selfish desires.

This is partially info from DP. Another lifetime, as a missionary who baptized natives unnecessarily, and was rebuked of J/God, for bothering those poor, lovely, natives, who were getting on quite nicely without me!
ah, yes, it was a most painful revelation. therefore my motto nowdays is leave them alone, they'll come home, wagging their tails behind them.

Lord have mercy on my soul.

I believe, while learning the basic, employing it, we all are in training, some are advanced of others in the basic. we do this basic service within a group setting, we learn the function of the operating as One principle, as in cooperation endeavors. then when we reach the grace state more continually, it is the Father within which doeth the works, as J said it was, it is so.
The ego cannot take credit in that case. and that's where the humility enters in, and grace sustains the individual until the end.
Beware of any who proclaim they are a God. It is the ego misunderstanding it's creativity in it's becoming process. Beware of kings and leaders who lead you into war.
when (sometime!) the people rise and take on leadership qaulities, there will be a time of peace.

Yes it's good to keep in mind, we are partially divine, in that to love deeply god, is how we return from our cycle of lives, which to love god is a completely unselfish heart action. such a one is empowered, for good, for truth, as J was, to whom we can look for inspiration. J is the same as the holy spirit. They are One concept.
although religion, as it has been distorted, is on it's way out of this current time. Love is the new religion, yet love quite on a higher level as we understand it now.

[Akasha]

Like you, I have had more than a few possible "exit points". I just passed one last year, and being newly remarried, I want to savor every moment I have with my new husband. I remember hearing as I came to from a emergency colon resection, my dear sweet husband saying to his father, "The Doctor told me that if I hadn't gotten Kash right in here she had about an hour left of life". Wow...it does give one pause to think. I thought to myself, did I choose to live, did I fight, did my body know it was dying at all? I believe it did. I believe I did fight. Something inside me was about survival. I wanted to be with Marty. Prior to that, like you, I had my brushes with drugs as a young woman. I almost had a heart attack from doing cocaine with a boyfriend, to please him. I feel that we do have these exit points and I chose to live. I have had a feeling, as of late that I am living on borrowed time...Time I borrowed for after the last possible exit point. I dunno if I'm okay with that at all. Being with my new husband and happy for the first time in a LONG time, I'd hate to have it end and leave my husband a young widower. However, if I had to, I'd rather leave before him and allow him to live a lot longer, without me. My husband is about 20 years younger than I am. Age has always been unimportant to us.

You inspire me Laughing Rain. Much Love,

Akasha

[laughingRain]

Akasha said:

Like you, I have had more than a few possible "exit points". I just passed one last year, and being newly remarried, I want to savor every moment I have with my new husband. I remember hearing as I came to from a emergency colon resection, my dear sweet husband saying to his father, "The Doctor told me that if I hadn't gotten Kash right in here she had about an hour left of life". Wow...it does give one pause to think. I thought to myself, did I choose to live, did I fight, did my body know it was dying at all? I believe it did. I believe I did fight. Something inside me was about survival. I wanted to be with Marty. Prior to that, like you, I had my brushes with drugs as a young woman. I almost had a heart attack from doing cocaine with a boyfriend, to please him. I feel that we do have these exit points and I chose to live. I have had a feeling, as of late that I am living on borrowed time...Time I borrowed for after the last possible exit point. I dunno if I'm okay with that at all. Being with my new husband and happy for the first time in a LONG time, I'd hate to have it end and leave my husband a young widower. However, if I had to, I'd rather leave before him and allow him to live a lot longer, without me. My husband is about 20 years younger than I am. Age has always been unimportant to us.

You inspire me Laughing Rain. Much Love,

Akasha

I'm glad u shared here such personal stuff Kash, because for instance, look at how we both did drugs because we wanted to be with the man. look how far we've come from such naivety as concerning being foolishly in love. maybe someone can learn from our mistakes. maybe they weren't mistakes if we learned life is more valuable than we thought.
I had a feeling I shouldn't do the heroin with him just because he did it. it wasn't my thing. I always thought love was doing what the other wanted. sometimes love is saying no. that's what I learned of value.
you're in a good space now with finding a mate does not try to kill you! but rather does what he can to keep you healthy with him. no reason not to savor this time. it's nice to be appreciated for being you. kinda rare all in all.
I try to live each day like it's my last, as I've recalled those places where death could have snuck up on me and I like to be prepared for that time of transition, as I found out, there's people just like me, who don't know what the hell happened to them, they think they are alive, but they've left the physical body (ELS, earth life system) because there is no death. then we call this waking the dead, doing a retrieval on them. eventually we'll all be aware of our transition, and not be confused when the time comes, but for now, we still need assistance in general, no one should die alone or suddenly. it's very scary for most.

it's just a change in the vibratory rate of a being. like moving fan blades. the blades are moving so fast, like the bodies of spirits do, that the retina does not see that vibratory rate often.
thanks again for your sharing. means a bunch to me.

[Kevin]

When I was a child I had a couple near death experiences. ("child" to me is up until 16-17ish when I started to consider myself an adult.)
One when I was very young, in the ocean at the age of 5(ish) I was pulled into the undertoe and my sister/cousin saved me.

The other that I can remember is when I went down a one way street the wrong way by accident while lost in a city. I was going 45 (the speed limit there) and they where going 60ish probably, I know it was faster then they should of. Me and the other car both tried to move out of each other's way and ended up going into the same lane, at the same time, at the last second... I saw him maybe 4 feet in front of me and I felt a strange peace within myself: "oh it looks like this is the time I die". I closed my eyes because there was no time to react, it was simply to late. I opened them maybe 3 seconds later and the car was behind me driving away in the same lane as me still. There was no noise of tires screeching or fast turning or anything, everything was silent. To this day I'm not sure what happened. I know I've had others but I can't think of them it's no big deal to me for some reason lol.

When I was 15 I would look into the mirror and every once in a while I would see the face of an OLD man staring back at me. My face... it freaked me out the first time, then I got used to seeing stuff like that. I know that I am going to live to be very old because it was decided before I incarnated. I know that I had help making that decision from my guides. Unless I take my life through mistreatment of my body (which is my choice after all), it will not end until the date we decided (which I do not remember, nor do I wish to... I'm just coming back anyway!)

I have had times when I was younger that I did not want to live. There where times I wished that I would die... (all in the past WAY behind me now)
I believe all of that is taken care of before you incarnate.

You decide before you incarnate because afterwards your universal awareness is to immature to work properly!

Once I had a spirit ask me if I wanted to live/pass on through a medium. I believe that it was real. It's hard to describe it but it felt real. I chose to stay... I'll be here for a while.

I believe the decision is YOURS, but it's made on a deeper level that most people don't know exist.

I would actually like to thank everyone who took part in this topic. Many people are afraid of death and it's a cultural taboo to talk about it for some reason it's viewed as "negative".

Love and Light to all!

[laughingRain]

thanks for joining in on a taboo subject Kevin. When I was writing my book I started remembering the time I was thinking I'd let myself die, and I was only about 3 yrs old.
such a strange thing to remember the thoughts at such a young age. I remember being in a public pool with my family; in the shallow end. I could stand up but I choose instead to float on my face and hold my breath until somebody noticed.
trouble is I noticed nobody was noticing me! haha! so I said to myself, hmm, nobody cares if I live or die, I'm going home! continued to hold my breath. started to feel very peaceful. going home is so beautiful. it was one of my possible exit points. I was a disturbed child, I guess you might say. at the last minute my brother yanked me out. did it again. stubborn I guess. got banned from the pool and mother thought I was retarded. I loved the attention!
I was starved for attention.
it's funny that at 3 yrs old, you have this decision making ability, if there's no love in the life. I think lack of love just about is the cause of every problem on earth.
things will gradually change though. I feel certain about that. about the shift in consciousness.

oh Kevin, I do believe in guides, and the higher self. I have this friend who had a very strange occurance, even stranger than yours if that's possible; she entered an intersection where she had the right of way and a car and hers were about to collide. She braced herself for the impact and while fully conscious, instead of an impact the other car slid right through her car, like it was made of jello. ah...I know this lady, she's not in the habit of wanting attention for herself. she wouldn't lie about such a thing. she felt really strange of course. she could feel and remember the car moving through hers. It simply wasn't her time to die is the only conclusion we could draw, and other forces intervened in her behalf.

I figure most people would blink out of awareness if something like this happened to them, the amazing thing is she remembers; that's how it happened. I wonder if the other person was asleep at the wheel? most likely, this is something that doesn't fit into our belief system, so the only thing to do is try and forget what doesn't fit.

another thing about why it's good to talk about death; it's not really death, it's transition to another dimension, where you don't take the physical body with you.
Well, the life span used to be for awhile, around 30 for the average American pioneer. I know that sounds weird, but trekking across the land in a stagecoach is life threatening. they used to bury their kids alongside the road on the trail.
then diseases and hardships caused early deaths. now we've increased in our lifespans, but I wonder sometimes if the quality of life has increased with the longevity? we still have too much disease and infirmary. it's for each to answer in their own way.

no matter how you look at it, I figure if you live past 30 around here, you should be granted the title of survivor. I'm 62 and I'm a surivor. so much has happened. It's been worth it after all. at last I'm mature enough to be grateful for the time I've had around here, good, bad or indifferent. every life is a gain towards graduation time.
we are spirits having a human experience. we're the only ones can decide if it was worth it.
Other people who are kind make it worth the while.

blessings and peace! LR